Name of this tactic (is it just a sacrifice?)

@FyM020 said in #1:
> I don't know the name of this tactic. It consists of letting the opponent take the piece he is threatening instead of moving the piece into sacrifice.
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Bro you are lucky you got a double check mate that very rare

I think the OP had the question if there is a specific name for this kind of sacrifice where the piece is not actively offered, but just not being removed after it is attacked. So apart from the double check and mate, his question concerns the queen.

I do not know the answer, but the distinction makes sense. Most sacs are like Bxh7+ Kh7, where the sac is an active move with the piece that is supposed to be sacrificed. Maybe you could call this kind a "quiet" sacrifice?

@FyM020 said in #1:
> I don't know the name of this tactic. It consists of letting the opponent take the piece he is threatening instead of moving the piece into sacrifice.
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It's danger levels
because what's more important than a queen? a king!
so it's a mate threat if you take the queen

For me it's Double check / discovered attack.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bJ_-JUFFl8&t=2337s
idk
but it is pretty much the same tactic as in this morphy game around min 11

@FyM020 If we are talking about queen to b3 that is an attack on b7 pawn and forms a battery with its bishop on the e6 pawn. If there was no white bishop on c4 then the tactic would be called a Double Attack.

So white is threatening to either take the b7 pawn or recapture the e6 pawn with it's queen, although not advisable.

What can black do besides moving the knight? What about Rb8?

Black is not forced to move the knight.

But once it did move the knight, then white can always capture the black pawn with bishop check and that forces the king to move or recapture with the rook and be down material because white would recapture with its queen with tempo and the knight would be on the rim

Or the knight can just capture the bishop instead of queen and material remains even as well.

The confusion is with the definition of "tactic".

A tactic is a forcing move or combination of moves that lead to an immediate advantage of material or a mating pattern. Generally there is just some kind of imbalance that will lead to a win with best play.

Many people, are confused by semantics and some even think there is a difference between tactics and combinations. They seem to think a combination has to have a sacrifice. It's not necessary.

Realize there are only 5 basic families of tactics which was addressed in #3 and everything is a combination of these.

Removing the Guard is a broad category including , Capturing the Guard, Distracting the Guard, Attacking the Guard or Blocking the Guard. Many authors have their own names for things. For example, 'interference", is another way of saying, "blocking the guard".

Hope this is helpful.

An interesting page on the history and various meanings of 'combination' by Edward Winter:

web.archive.org/web/20171109103047/http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/combination.html

As usual with these things, does it really make much of a difference...?

@TheKingClash

I didn't play Qb3 to lure the Knight.

@Sacmaniac (#3), @pointlesswindows

Rxe8# is the double attack. My question is about playing Rxe6 with the Queen under threat (not caring about it being taken).

Sacmaniac (#16)

"The confusion is with the definition of "tactic"."

You're right! English is my second language and sometimes I choose the wrong words. If I used "tactics" it was because I couldn't find the right term. The "tactic" here is ignoring the threat and launching an attack while my opponent is thinking about capturing the piece.

@Sybotes

That's exactly what I wanted to know: is it a sacrifice if I don't move the piece in danger?

@Sarg0n

I've previously played a similar "sacrifice" without threat of discovered or double attack mate.

In this game, I let the Rook be taken because I knew I had a favorable sequence of moves after that "sacrifice". I knew what he was planning when I played Rc3.



This one from last night:


Mate in these two examples is slower than in #1, but I ignored the threats and offered important pieces in both games. I see the "tactic" as the same ("I don't care, take the high-value piece, I don't need it to launch my attack").

@MrPushwood

It can be useful to find puzzles by theme. I wanted to play puzzles with this motif but couldn't find the right tag on Puzzle Themes.

oh okay @FyM020 thanks for clarifying that. Rxe6 is not a tactic. It is simply recapturing and evening up the material. And even though English is not your first language there are others that are confused by words like "tactics", "puzzles", "combinations", "strategy", whom English is their mother tongue. There is too many labels for the same basic concepts I suppose.