One should be very sceptical when an 'unwritten rule' is evoked, anyhow.
I like what #13 said. If you beat someone quite bad, asking for a rematch may be bad form. If it's obvious you're gonna win again, the rematch request is kind of like a slap in the face.
That being said, this thread is interesting to me. When I win easily and receive a rematch request I feel insulted, like the idiot thinks the win was a fluke. Totally backwards from what OP is thinking. What do you all think about that?
That being said, this thread is interesting to me. When I win easily and receive a rematch request I feel insulted, like the idiot thinks the win was a fluke. Totally backwards from what OP is thinking. What do you all think about that?
#22 I think a very much weaker player might enjoy playing a much stronger player for learning sake, maybe because he does not get the chance too often? That's how I see it
Since there weren't any in writing, I wrote them down.
LICHESS RULES TO RE-MATCH
#1. There are no rules.
#2. Don't get wound up if you lose.
#3. Don't assume that people get pleasure out beating you personally. You aren't that important.
#4. If you lose a game, don't re-match. Analyse your game and learn from your mistakes.
#5. Stop complaining - the same as #2 above but worth re-iterating. Enjoy the game or go do something else.
#6. Don't sledge your opponent. This is not cricket. This is chess.
LICHESS RULES TO RE-MATCH
#1. There are no rules.
#2. Don't get wound up if you lose.
#3. Don't assume that people get pleasure out beating you personally. You aren't that important.
#4. If you lose a game, don't re-match. Analyse your game and learn from your mistakes.
#5. Stop complaining - the same as #2 above but worth re-iterating. Enjoy the game or go do something else.
#6. Don't sledge your opponent. This is not cricket. This is chess.
Xactly!
Analysing your game after a defeat is priority number one.
Analysing your game after a defeat is priority number one.
Very interesting discussion. I think I know why there is a discrepancy in attitudes here. It's an issue between friendly otb games versus rated online play.
If you are playing otb or in a casual game with someone online you likely are friendly with them or intend to be. The gentlemanly thing after a win is to politely offer to "play again?" As #8 said, it's generally the winner demonstrating sportsmanship to do this, and when a loser requests it's generally seen as rude (i.e. they are just a sore loser).
However, online when ratings (and therefore egos) are involved, when you beat someone and then offer a rematch it is, as some have stated, sort of a slap in the face - especially if you aren't making some sort of commentary afterward about how it was a great game, and interesting, and so forth turning it into something more friendly to offer a rematch in hopes of establishing more than just a rated game versus a stranger. When playing rated games the idea of a rematch sort of goes out the window, because a rating versus a single opponent is pointless, most of us want to keep playing fresh players to keep our pool more randomized. Obviously in a tournament you don't get a rematch and so most players online treat rated games with a little more importance than a friendly game in which a rematch offer is likely the polite conclusion to a game.
So in a sense, it might be seen in rated play that it's a bit rude for a winner to offer a rematch. But at the same time, it's also rude for a loser to insist on one. Ultimately rematches in rated games are a matter of mutual interest in continuing a series and by no means obligated by any form of etiquette.
If you are playing otb or in a casual game with someone online you likely are friendly with them or intend to be. The gentlemanly thing after a win is to politely offer to "play again?" As #8 said, it's generally the winner demonstrating sportsmanship to do this, and when a loser requests it's generally seen as rude (i.e. they are just a sore loser).
However, online when ratings (and therefore egos) are involved, when you beat someone and then offer a rematch it is, as some have stated, sort of a slap in the face - especially if you aren't making some sort of commentary afterward about how it was a great game, and interesting, and so forth turning it into something more friendly to offer a rematch in hopes of establishing more than just a rated game versus a stranger. When playing rated games the idea of a rematch sort of goes out the window, because a rating versus a single opponent is pointless, most of us want to keep playing fresh players to keep our pool more randomized. Obviously in a tournament you don't get a rematch and so most players online treat rated games with a little more importance than a friendly game in which a rematch offer is likely the polite conclusion to a game.
So in a sense, it might be seen in rated play that it's a bit rude for a winner to offer a rematch. But at the same time, it's also rude for a loser to insist on one. Ultimately rematches in rated games are a matter of mutual interest in continuing a series and by no means obligated by any form of etiquette.
#26 lol :)
You're probably quite right.
OTB but away from the chess club or competition is often more casual and friendly because it is against an opponent you know socially or who is a family member.
Online, on lichess, we normally play total strangers and build a sort of online relationship with a few players whom we play repeatedly or because we know them also on Facebook or whatever.
When one plays - as I often do - 0+1 games or 1+0, it is tiresome to keep searching for new opponents, and win or lose, I tend to play an opponent until one of us is fed up with winning or losing, or playing, or has something else to do. A single 0+1 is ridiculous. I consider that, under normal circumstances, four or five games of 0+1 is usual.
The fact that there is a button where one can suggest a rematch means that it is not impolite to use it. After all, unlike take backs and some other features, it cannot be switched off. Sometimes people ask me for a rematch and I reject it - but I never abuse them for asking. Similarly, I expect not to be abused if I offer someone another game.
There is no offence in chess. Here, we play mainly strangers, faceless beings, in a game of strategy and skill. If we play by the rules, there can be no offence.
Offence only exists because of PEOPLE. Fragility of beaten down egos mixed with anger and tiredness, and not having to deal socially with the consequences of actions. Face to face, this guy would not look at a 230 pound guy like me and call me abusive names for asking him if he'd like to play again. That's only happens as a consequence of being able to 'get away with it'.
You're probably quite right.
OTB but away from the chess club or competition is often more casual and friendly because it is against an opponent you know socially or who is a family member.
Online, on lichess, we normally play total strangers and build a sort of online relationship with a few players whom we play repeatedly or because we know them also on Facebook or whatever.
When one plays - as I often do - 0+1 games or 1+0, it is tiresome to keep searching for new opponents, and win or lose, I tend to play an opponent until one of us is fed up with winning or losing, or playing, or has something else to do. A single 0+1 is ridiculous. I consider that, under normal circumstances, four or five games of 0+1 is usual.
The fact that there is a button where one can suggest a rematch means that it is not impolite to use it. After all, unlike take backs and some other features, it cannot be switched off. Sometimes people ask me for a rematch and I reject it - but I never abuse them for asking. Similarly, I expect not to be abused if I offer someone another game.
There is no offence in chess. Here, we play mainly strangers, faceless beings, in a game of strategy and skill. If we play by the rules, there can be no offence.
Offence only exists because of PEOPLE. Fragility of beaten down egos mixed with anger and tiredness, and not having to deal socially with the consequences of actions. Face to face, this guy would not look at a 230 pound guy like me and call me abusive names for asking him if he'd like to play again. That's only happens as a consequence of being able to 'get away with it'.
Toutatis, well said. I can't say I ever get angry about a rematch offer. Ignore it, roll my eyes, sure. As for fast games, it'd be completely normal to keep playing quite a few matchups, so in that case I'd probably rather expect one and it would be quite absurd for someone to get angry about one. Honestly, trolls have always existed and the internet has given them free reign to be all that they can aspire to in trollishness. As you say, they can get away with it from behind their veil of anonymity, so they do it because they can. Easiest to just ignore them. Still an interesting discussion regarding the differing perceptions on etiquette.
To me the most practical outlook is that asking for a rematch is saying that the two of you are pretty evenly matched, and both will benefit from playing each other.
However the impression I get when I see most rematches is that they are thinking "what? how could I lose to this idiot!" or "That was easy, I want more points!"
However the impression I get when I see most rematches is that they are thinking "what? how could I lose to this idiot!" or "That was easy, I want more points!"
People who troll don't know what etiquette means!
btw people who are rude should be kicked out of the site forever!!
btw people who are rude should be kicked out of the site forever!!
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